Why are the Old Ways and Neo-Paganism failing to make Better People?

Updated: Jan 1

Hey all: This has been bothering me for a while. I think Heathenry is really failing to do one thing in peoples' lives: Make them better people for the world in general. Hear me out please.


Christianity and Islam are about belief, first and foremost. They have often made the world a worse place, all the genocide that they have done, the crusades, the religious wars. Even the beginning of Islam was divided and them killing each other. Centuries of violence. Sure, there are morality teachings in these faiths, and all in these two faiths today are not bad people, many are good people, but in the end, the devastation that the world has seen from these two religions, is undeniable. (And this post is not intended to rip on Christianity and Islam... I will get back to the question soon: Is Heathenry making people better people?)


Judaism is about practice, and as a Heathen reconstructionist, we are trying to reconstruct historical holidays, their meaning (what they were about) and their timing (when they were), as well as practice: How were they celebrated. I also write a lot about blot and sumble. Many of my articles discuss practice. When do I discuss the Gods? Sure, I do, here or there, but oddly, while people think I behave like a Christian (another point coming shortly), I am far more concerned about practice... which is actually all Judaism talks about: Practice. (Christianity=Salvation by Faith, belief. Judaism=good works, practice).


PS- Those who disagree with me claim I practice a Heathen christianity. I teach in their eyes: orthodoxy and orthopraxy of holidays based on a lunisolar reckoning and provide evidence this is how historical Heathens practiced, on full moon after solar events. These claim that me teaching full moons is "orthodoxy" (they mean orthopraxy.) Problem here, is Asatru does have orthopraxy, solstices and equinoxes and mid-points between them, the 8 prong solar year. People that teach solstice/equinox holiday dating have the same orthopraxy leanings as I do, we just PRACTICE differently, i.e. on different dates. So really their argument that I am wrong because I teach orthodoxy (belief), is incorrect, when they do the same things themselves... (just theirs are different dates.) PS- I got about 30 or so people who IM'd or emailed me hate IMs and threatening IMs near or on the solstice, one person even threatened to find my home and physically harm me and my family. Which brings us back to the question: Are Old Ways Heathenry, and Asatru, making people better people for this world?


Currently, in my local community, I have 11 people fighting. The other members, never cause drama, and are always surprised when they hear this, as they themselves cause none, and never seem to have any. There have been days I have spent 8 hours on the phone or email or IM dealing with petty crap. I am not a full time minister, and I have a job.


Asatru is divided with their uni-folki debate. And even outside of that, people clobber each other more on Facebook and Redditt. These guys are likely to skip Thing and go straight to duels, with the loser being blood eagled. I have even had another "Heathen" state that I plagiarized his work, and he was going to crucify me publicly. I literally see so much crappy behavior every day, it is super clear the Havamal is ignored, and not put into practice, which means in my eyes, for the most part, Asatru is failing to make people more wise, or better people, or improve human behavior. (Another PS- SJWs will adamantly disagree with me. But they have only one cause, a great one, to end bigotry. And well, that has not happened. And too many SJWs have actually raised the bar of crappy and bad behavior. more threats against my life as a blogger and YouTuber have come from SJWs. I have received many threats from them because I have not signed Dec 127. I hate all forms of bigotry and racism too, but if I put my name on that list, it brings me more negative attention. We ban in in our mission statement all racism and bigotry, and we move on. Don't get me wrong, racists scare me. But honestly, the AFA is the most well behaved group, they are silent and ignore Dec 127. Interestingly, they behave well online (for the most part. It is the SJWs often that behave the worst, and often come across as flat out dangerous.) And yes, I have been threatened to sign Dec 127, several times.


For those of you fathers out there that have a daughter: How many of you would find many Asatruar online to be good matches for your daughter? This makes me sad to say, but the behavior of soooo many Asatruar and Heathens is so bad, I am just embarrassed at times, and I have screwed up too. There are levels I will never stoop to in my worst days. I have never done threatening behavior and some of the over the top madness I see online.


I have made a LOT of mistakes on social media. I need to be calmer. I need to just say "This post is for those interested in historical ways. Please keep whatever ways you feel are best, just trying to teach historical ways here, which are not for everyone." I must constantly have a disclaimer. I get that Aldsidu and the AHH divorced Asatru, but outside of our mission statement (which we don't post anywhere) we did this peacefully. Dec 127 is war by one group on another group.)


People argue that the Old Ways survived heathenry's destruction, and are in the church today. I find that these are few and far between actually, but most in Asatru believe xmas trees, easter eggs, and even eggnog (yes, eggnog) goes back to Heathen times. Well, lets even argue that were true: The belief in the Gods did not survive. Asatru is a faith reborn. Unlike Judaism and the Jewish people, who were tossed out of Israel by the Romans in 135 CE, with literally half of them being enslaved, then they survive for 1800 years away from their homeland, no longer a nation, keeping Hebrew, their sabbaths, their holidays, the halakah, through some of the worst persecutions and a holocaust, and today, they still speak Hebrew and their traditions are recorded. Today the Nation of Israel is reborn! Now that is keeping some old ways for a tribal faith! To be blunt, I do not see even a Heathen neighborhood being born in the present state of Asatru clobbering one another. Sure, we are not missionaries, but to be blunt, neither are Jews. Only Xians and Islamic people have commands to convert, and Israel has always been a tribal faith, an ethnicity as well as faith. In modern Heathenry, the question of ancestry is the most dividing one (uni-folki). We can't even talk about ethnicity without facebook almost shutting us down, even when we are not racists.


I do not foresee unity coming. Sure, the few of us Old Ways people should be united. And Asatru camps are united, sometimes. But I received threats and cuss out IMs this week from recons too. Often recons behave just as badly as non-recons. And if for example, some recon Old English Heathens take Mothers' Night to be the Solstice, and others on a full moon before the solstice, both respect the other side. Maybe I am even wrong that it is a part of the matronae cult! We are just trying the best we can to make sense of it, because well, sadly, our Ancestors chose to let Old Saxon die, and even their religion die, and sadly, if you study continental Saxon History, after our forced conversion, and how horrible that is in the written record, recorded by the people who did it (which is even more astonishing considering mass executions and forced relocations of over 10,000 people occurred several times, all to force them into the church), the Saxons 100 years later were spreading Christianity in the same way it was forced on them, which is very disappointing to me, as that is my family heritage, not to mention what some in my north German family did in WWII. Why am I in America! Well praise the Gods one line of my family hated the Reich and left. I am a proud American.


I see a ton of online behavior I would call extremely poor. I myself have grown up a lot, but I still have a looooong way to go. I just think it is more likely Heathens will kill each other, and there is sooo much syncretism going on. We see it in the sagas. A Christ cup in many sumbles, and signs of the cross in sumbles, and I can give many examples. Syncretisation doesn't preserve cultures. The one ethnicity that survived was uncompromising, did not commit genocide themselves, and were the persecuted. Their faith made them better people. And they kept their sabbaths when those who persecuted them wished them to stop. They succeeded. If they compromised, and gave up their sabbaths and holidays and their PRACTICES, would they have survived as a people and would they have their own nation today? The syncretism in the Sagas was a sign Heathenry was about to die out, because they chose to compromise, and let the Old Ways of their Ancestors die. After so much syncretism, what was originally sumble, was no longer even a sumble.


WHAT MUST WE DO TO MAKE PEOPLE BETTER? The Havamal, has wisdom. People have replaced it with Asatru's Creed: The Nine Noble Virtues. What does Heathenry have to say to the world? How can we make it better? Why are we (old and new ways people) not making people better people? (And if you want to argue we are better people due to our faith, please say why. Stating “we are no longer Christians” is not a good answer. Should Asatru and Old Ways teach the Havamal more? (Or is the real issue, most people don’t read it… and thus are just cosplayers…)


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